that is the spirit in which i think the majority approaches the debt ceiling, to say, how are we going to tell the people that we're going to pay off the debt that we have now gone ahead and incurred. i think a little bit of forethought here, planning into the future, how are we going to pay the bills, is the emphasis. and i have always greed as the gentleman said, the debt ceiling something that is something that is necessary. we will bring a bill forward. i do think that we should be mindful of how we are going to tell the public we're going to go into the future and pay off these debts. as the gentleman has many children and grandchildren, he doesn't want his kids, nor do i want mine to be shouldering the debt and paying our bills. we should be really committing ourselves to not just borrowing more, not to just taking more from taxpayer dollars, because we have done a lot of that this year already. the the gentleman talks about the need to proceed with revenues. we already have bationed on some $50 billion of status revenues, taxes that are accounted for because of the fiscal cliff